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 Topic: Considering Self-Funding Posted: 16 - Jul - 2009 at 1:08pm |
Hi, we are now exploring the option of self-funding our health insurance. I've done some research but feel woefully inadequate in providing appropriate guidance through this process. Traditionally, our broker has indicated with 100 +/- staff we are too small to consider this option.
General questions:
1. Can someone describe the difference between an ASO & TPA?
2. In your opinion, is 100 too small for this? My research indicates otherwise - curious if someone has experience.
3. Can someone put Aggregate Benefit into lamen terms?
4. Has anyone done this? Open to suggestions re staff communication, how to determine which coverages are essential to meet staff requirements, etc.
Sorry...I'm sure I'll have many more questions as I continue my reading! Thank you.
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1. Can someone describe the difference between an ASO & TPA?
Two names for essentially the same animal. ASO (administrative service organization) and TPA (third party administrators) are essentially outsourced administration of the plan. You need to be sure that the contracts are clear on who assumes what.
2. In your opinion, is 100 too small for this? My research indicates otherwise - curious if someone has experience.
We are 85 EE's and have a "self insured" spagragette plan. For the first time in several years our renewal was under double digits.
At the same time we had increased coverage and options. To me it is a great option because it limits the profits that insurer is making by reducing the risk they are exposed to. It limits the maximum risk the ER has and allows for savings to be reinvested in the plan.
The biggest benefit is in reducing the compounding of increases over time. This makes a huge difference in plan costs.
3. Can someone put Aggregate Benefit into lamen terms?
Aggregate is the total dollar value of all claims combined. Specific is the dollar value of a particular person's claims. You want a stop loss on specific claims in excess of X and aggregate claims in excess of Y (X+X+X)
4. Has anyone done this? Open to suggestions re staff communication, how to determine which coverages are essential to meet staff requirements, etc.
I would be happy to help you. You can email me through PM and I will get you my contact info.
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 Posted: 16 - Jul - 2009 at 1:25pm |
Originally posted by timk a "self insured" spagragette plan. What is this? Google doesn't like that word. :)
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I think Tim means Spaggregate which is a shortened form of Special Aggregate, but that's the extent of my knowledge on the subject.
It looks enough like Spaghetti that it reminded me to go to lunch...
Edited by -JFR - 16 - Jul - 2009 at 2:12pm
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We have 80 employees and have been partially self-insured for years.
I've experienced both good years and bad years under the plan, and I am very happy staying with the plan. We utilize a reinsurance carrier to cover claims over x amount.
I agree with timk that it can be very good for controlling your renewal costs. We compared our plan this past year with a fully-insured plan. The fully insured plan would have been slightly lower than the fully-burdened plan (i.e. we maxed out the claims), but it would have been at only 80% of our current coverage. This is a nationally known chain and they will not offer us our current coverage.
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Originally posted by -JFRI think Tim means Spaggregate which is a shortened form of Special Aggregate, but that's the extent of my knowledge on the subject.
It looks enough like Spaghetti that it reminded me to go to lunch...
Yes, that was the referrence. It could also be a mexican dish of mixed up enchiladas.
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Interestingly, I have seen some talk in the negotiations now under way on capital hill concerning limiting self-insuring to larger employers only. I think the number I saw was over 500 employees. It will be curious to see if that shows up in the final version of the health care legislation we will, no doubt, all soon be beating our heads against.
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I thought it also might have Spam as an ingredient.
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 Posted: 16 - Jul - 2009 at 5:15pm |
I would never, ever recommend a company go fully self-insured with less than 500 employees, and even then I'd think carefully. One employee with cancer, a motorcycle accident, or multiple births (we had one with quintuplets once) and there's your cash flow for the year, gone, gone, gone.
However, for smaller groups, self-funding with a stop-loss of, say, $40,000 can prevent you from going bankrupt if you have a major claim, can work.
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This makes me wonder if there are insurance products available for self-funded plans that would cover catastrophic occurrences. That could serve to put small employers on a more competitive footing, benefit-wise, when it comes to attracting candidates.
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Originally posted by -JFR
This makes me wonder if there are insurance products available for self-funded plans that would cover catastrophic occurrences. That could serve to put small employers on a more competitive footing, benefit-wise, when it comes to attracting candidates.
That is exactly what our plan is comprised of.
We are basically self funding the plan but the company is covered by stop loss on specific and aggregate levels. It is not fully self-funded but instead comprised of claims funding and stop loss premiums. To the employee is a seemless basic deductible plan. By doing this we can set a maximum risk exposure for the plan.
In our case, the maximum exposure was about equal to our previous fully funded premiums. In a bad year, we would spend an amount equal to our old fully funded plan.
One reason it works in a bad year it is not as tough on the carrier. First, the carrier's loss to premiums ratio is much lower because majority of claims come from funding. They also have much lower risk since most claims are not going to fall into the stop loss. Thus, with a tough year last year (where we actually fell into stop loss) our increase was 5%.
Another reason it works is in a good year, anything we don't spend on funding claims is cash reserves for the next year. You cannot take that money out because it is a trust. Still it means we can either lower costs, increase your stop loss limits, or lower funding the following year. All of those result in savings.
In fully funded insurance if you don't use it you don't get any premiums back AND you probably still get some type of increase.
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In addition to what timk discusses, we had one catastophic claim that was on-going, so while our stop-loss for the next year remained at $40k, for this one particular individual it was $100k. Even hitting the $100k stop-loss for that one employee, we still came out ahead over the average of the three-year span surrounding the year of the individual stop-loss.
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Maven -- I've seen that information about limiting employer self-funding floating around also.
I know that I've talked about it in the past and since we are so small, it is not feasible for us. But if I had 100+ employees to cover, I would seriously consider trying to do what others have posted that they have accomplished.
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 Posted: 20 - Jul - 2009 at 12:45pm |
Hey Scout,
Sorry we never discussed the benefits of HRA over HSA. Just wanted to add those to our offline discussion. I sent you an email so let me know if you don't get it.
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